The Stimulator
gotta check out this dudes show/podcast/multimedia its fuckin great. big ups to you dude!
Thursday, November 5, 2009
Swine flu vaccine scarcity, artificially induced?
Huge story by way of mediamonarchy.com and infowars: cfr recording suggests creating-false-scarcity to drive up demand for h1n1 vaccine
"A recording of a recent Council On Foreign Relations symposium reveals attendees discussing ways and means of getting the public to take the H1N1 flu vaccine in spite of the mass resistance that has arisen due to questions over it’s safety.
The recording dates from October 16 when the CFR held a Symposium in New York entitled Pandemic Influenza: Science, Economics, and Foreign Policy."
People on a local news website message board are in constant disbelief about the shortages of the vaccine, decrying the unpreparedness of the government to deal with this "pandemic". One reason for Utah's shortage is that they simply did not even order enough vaccine to cover 10% of the population, so they are enacting creative ways such as "making reservations" to come get your jab. I can't wait. This idea did strike me though, that creating artificial scarcity can induce demand.. Simple economics, and you can see it in action with energy resources daily. This deserves more research..
"A recording of a recent Council On Foreign Relations symposium reveals attendees discussing ways and means of getting the public to take the H1N1 flu vaccine in spite of the mass resistance that has arisen due to questions over it’s safety.
The recording dates from October 16 when the CFR held a Symposium in New York entitled Pandemic Influenza: Science, Economics, and Foreign Policy."
People on a local news website message board are in constant disbelief about the shortages of the vaccine, decrying the unpreparedness of the government to deal with this "pandemic". One reason for Utah's shortage is that they simply did not even order enough vaccine to cover 10% of the population, so they are enacting creative ways such as "making reservations" to come get your jab. I can't wait. This idea did strike me though, that creating artificial scarcity can induce demand.. Simple economics, and you can see it in action with energy resources daily. This deserves more research..
Thursday, October 29, 2009
Swine Flu and/or WHO thirsts for bioweapons
Huge news:
WHO memos 1972 explains how to turn vaccines into a means of killing
"WHO memos 1972 explains how to turn vaccines into a means of killing
Two key memorandums from WHO, discovered by Patrick Jordan, prove WHO has intentionally created the three-shot killer vaccine that people in the USA and other countries could soon be forced to take.
1972 WHO Bulletin 47, No 2 Memordanda #1 and #2 Virus-associated immunopathology:
Animal models and implications for human disease * technically outline the ability to create biological weapons in the form of vaccines that:
1) First totally disable the Immune System.
2) Load every cell of the Victim’s body up with Infection.
3) Switch the Immune System on causing the host to kill themselves in a Cytokine Storm.
One, Two, Three, Dead.
These WHO Memorandas describe the three-stage impact of the three "shots" many people will be forced to take this fall to allegedly treat a virus that WHO also helped create and release.
This is a crucial piece of evidence of WHO's long-term genocidal intentions that could stand in any court of law because these memorandums give the best and fullest explanation WHO's and affiliated labs (such as the CDC) current activities, such as their patenting of the most lethal bird flu viruses, their sending that virus to Baxter's subsidiary in Austria, which weaponised it and sent out 72 kilos to 16 labs in four countries almost triggering a global pandemic.
For every crime, there needs to be motive, an indication that it was deliberate, planned. The WHO memorandums provide the evidence of just that deliberate, long-term planning to kill people by weakening their immune system by use of the first vaccine, injecting a live virus into their body by a second, and creating a cytokine storm using squalene in a third.
Download the WHO Memoranda on:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/tocrender.fcgi?iid=169484
Scroll down until you find:
Memoranda
Virus-associated immunopathology : animal models and implications for human disease:
1. Effects of viruses on the immune system, immune-complex diseases, and antibody-mediated immunologic injury
Bull World Health Organ. 1972; 47(2): 257?264.
PMCID: PMC2480894
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2480894&blobtype=pdf
Virus-associated immunopathology: animal models and implications for human disease:
2. Cell-mediated immunity, autoimmune diseases, genetics, and implications for clinical research
Bull World Health Organ. 1972; 47(2): 265?274
PMCID: PMC2480896
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2480896&blobtype=pdf "
This is taken directly from http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/ Implore you to go investigate if you take an interest in cytokine storms. I have definite research to do tonight..
WHO memos 1972 explains how to turn vaccines into a means of killing
"WHO memos 1972 explains how to turn vaccines into a means of killing
Two key memorandums from WHO, discovered by Patrick Jordan, prove WHO has intentionally created the three-shot killer vaccine that people in the USA and other countries could soon be forced to take.
1972 WHO Bulletin 47, No 2 Memordanda #1 and #2 Virus-associated immunopathology:
Animal models and implications for human disease * technically outline the ability to create biological weapons in the form of vaccines that:
1) First totally disable the Immune System.
2) Load every cell of the Victim’s body up with Infection.
3) Switch the Immune System on causing the host to kill themselves in a Cytokine Storm.
One, Two, Three, Dead.
These WHO Memorandas describe the three-stage impact of the three "shots" many people will be forced to take this fall to allegedly treat a virus that WHO also helped create and release.
This is a crucial piece of evidence of WHO's long-term genocidal intentions that could stand in any court of law because these memorandums give the best and fullest explanation WHO's and affiliated labs (such as the CDC) current activities, such as their patenting of the most lethal bird flu viruses, their sending that virus to Baxter's subsidiary in Austria, which weaponised it and sent out 72 kilos to 16 labs in four countries almost triggering a global pandemic.
For every crime, there needs to be motive, an indication that it was deliberate, planned. The WHO memorandums provide the evidence of just that deliberate, long-term planning to kill people by weakening their immune system by use of the first vaccine, injecting a live virus into their body by a second, and creating a cytokine storm using squalene in a third.
Download the WHO Memoranda on:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/tocrender.fcgi?iid=169484
Scroll down until you find:
Memoranda
Virus-associated immunopathology : animal models and implications for human disease:
1. Effects of viruses on the immune system, immune-complex diseases, and antibody-mediated immunologic injury
Bull World Health Organ. 1972; 47(2): 257?264.
PMCID: PMC2480894
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2480894&blobtype=pdf
Virus-associated immunopathology: animal models and implications for human disease:
2. Cell-mediated immunity, autoimmune diseases, genetics, and implications for clinical research
Bull World Health Organ. 1972; 47(2): 265?274
PMCID: PMC2480896
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2480896&blobtype=pdf "
This is taken directly from http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/ Implore you to go investigate if you take an interest in cytokine storms. I have definite research to do tonight..
Saturday, October 24, 2009
New York abandons swine flu vaccine mandate for health care workers, blames vaccine shortage
New York abandons swine flu vaccine mandate for health care workers, blames vaccine shortage
"(NaturalNews) New York State Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines announced today that public health workers will no longer be required to receive swine flu vaccinations. The state had been sued by the Public Employees Federation to stop the vaccine mandate, and a state judge had granted the group a temporary restraining order against mandatory vaccine injections (http://www.naturalnews.com/027259_h...). The follow-up hearing was scheduled for October 30 to determine whether the temporary restraining order would be overruled.
The New York Dept. of Health had vowed to fight the restraining order and force all health care workers to be vaccinated, even against their will. Those refusing to be vaccinated faced losing their jobs or being denied pay increases.
The decision to abandon the swine flu vaccine mandate had nothing to do with the debate over the vaccination of health care workers, claims Richard Daines. Instead, he says, it was all caused by the shortage of vaccines. While the CDC had promised states that 120 million doses of swine flu vaccine would be available by the end of October, the reality is that thanks to vaccine production failures, only about 28 million doses will be available (roughly one-fourth the original estimate).
"The CDC acknowledged that New York would only receive approximately 23 percent of its anticipated vaccine supply," Gov. David Paterson said in a story published by CNN. "As a result, we need to be as resourceful as we can with the limited supplies of vaccine currently coming into the state."
As the article states, this stoppage of mandatory vaccination is for the wrong reasons, but this is still notable. With talk of other states drafting mandatory vaccination legislation, this warrants mention.
Thursday, October 22, 2009
Today's Run-Down-Malthusian Messiahs, Genetically engineered GMO policies, and more
A few questions being asked on NaturalNews.com regarding flu vaccines:
"Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities refuse to answer"
"(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots say it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven effective" and they're "perfectly safe."Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities absolutely refuse to answer:
#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?
Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v... "
Interesting read requiring more research for sure.
Chief scientist says it would be 'unwise' not to develop GM crops in Britain
"Professor John Beddington said the world will have to produce 50 per cent more food by 2030 in order to feed the growing population. He said the only way to do this is to grow more crops on less land by using the latest scientific innovation, including crops genetically modified to be drought or disease resistant.
"This is such a problem that you cannot say we will not use GM technology - that would be really unwise," he said. His comments come as a new Royal Society report also recommends GM crops to tackle the impending food crisis.
The report entitled 'Reaping the Benefits: Towards a Sustainable Intensification of Global Agriculture' is expected to suggest that GM crops could even be grown in Britain.GM has recently come back onto the political agenda. The first trial in a year was recently re-started in Leeds, with the Government's support, and a recent report on food security from the Deparment for the Enviroment, Food and Rural Affairs backed further research into the technology."
And this stuff reads like powerhungry fantasia:
"We do have a 'perfect storm' with the impending food crisis, climate change and the recent economic crisis," she said. "It might seem like the perfect opportunity for the bio-tech industry to promote its products but the drivers of this crisis are so complex and need to be tackled at a fundamental level - just the thought that GM can solve this or play an important part is pie in the sky."
Disgusting...While on the bio foods subject, must check out foodworldorder.com!
Bill Granting FDA New Powers To Oversee Nation's Food Supply Gets Broad Support
"Legislation granting the Food and Drug Administration new powers to oversee the nation's food supply has elbowed its way onto Congress' crammed calendar with bipartisan support and rare agreement between consumer groups and an industry stung by product recalls.
The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), would require the FDA to step up inspections of food facilities and to issue new rules to improve the quality of imported food and to combat contaminants in fresh produce. The measure also would give the agency authority to recall products on its own, instead of relying on industry cooperation.
"Hardly a week goes by that there isn't a report of an outbreak of food-borne illness or death in America," Durbin said. "The current system really just reacts to food illness. We have to have a system that is protective of consumers" by preventing outbreaks or nipping them in the bud.
The bill is slated for a committee hearing today even as lawmakers wrestle with the tasks of overhauling the healthcare system, writing new regulations for the financial services industry and shaping major measures on global warming and education.
The reason for a sense of urgency is evident from opinion polls. A July survey for the Pew Charitable Trusts found that nearly 90% of voters favored new food safety measures similar to those found in Durbin's bill and a slightly more expansive proposal that the House passed over the summer.
"There's broad public support. It would be a quick win for both parties," said Erik Olson, director of chemical and food safety programs in Pew's Health & Human Services Policy program. "This is a rare situation where the industry is shoulder to shoulder with consumers."
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that food-borne illness causes 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths annually in the U.S.
Beyond hazards to health, the food industry has paid a hefty toll.
Growers and distributors lost an estimated $100 million in a 2008 recall of salmonella-tainted jalapeño peppers and tomatoes initially blamed for the outbreak, said Patrick Delaney, a spokesman for the United Fresh Produce Assn., which represents fruit and vegetable producers. "
I cannot help but wonder whether these changing standards will include codex alimentarius tained philosophy, and assist with harmonization. Sadly I am not optimistic. Find out more on Codex at codexalimentarius.org No Codex Genocide and governmental and non-governmental agency websites.
Bailout May Cost $23.7 Trillion: Barofsky
"WASHINGTON - The federal government has devoted $4.7 trillion to help the financial sector through its crisis, a level of assistance equal to about one-third of the overall U.S. economy, a watchdog report said Monday.
Under the worst of circumstances, the report said, the government's maximum exposure could total nearly $24 trillion, or $80,000 for every American.
The figures are part of a tough new quarterly report to Congress from special inspector general Neil Barofsky, who accuses the Treasury Department of repeatedly failing to adopt recommendations aimed at making one component of the government financial rescue effort more accountable and transparent.
The $4.7 trillion commitment to the industry takes into account about 50 initiatives and programs set up since 2007 by the Bush and Obama administrations as well as by the Federal Reserve. Barofsky oversees one of the initiatives -- the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program.
Much of the government assistance is backed by collateral and Barofsky's $23.7 trillion estimate represents the gross, not net, exposure that the government could face."
On the same subject one more econo-nightmare:
Study Finds Toxic Assets Truly Worthless, Geithner’s Plan ‘Will Simply Transfer Wealth’ To Banks from Think
Like Nouriel Roubini, Coval, Stafford, and Jurek believe that “many major US banks are now legitimately insolvent.” Therefore, they write, “any taxpayer dollars allocated to supporting these [toxic asset] markets will simply transfer wealth to the current owners of these securities”:
Last topic of the day, gotta hit the "Malthusian Messiah"
"When Malthusians Become Messiahs"
"Nowadays, anyone and everyone who raises a disparaging word about the Obama Administration’s policies is immediately assigned the stigma of “alarmist,” “scaremonger,” or “paranoid.” Perhaps such stigmas are actually applicable in some cases, like Genesis Communications Network radio talk show host Alex Jones and Fox News talk show host Glenn Beck. In both of these cases, there are, no doubt, serious sanity issues involved. However, those who have familiarized themselves with the résumé of President Obama’s recently appointed Science Czar, John Holdren, have good reason to be afraid.
Having dispelled any accusations of partisan prejudices, allow me to provide a brief overview of Holdren’s résumé. In 1977, Holdren co-authored Ecoscience with Paul and Anne Ehrlich. Of course, Paul Ehrlich was the environmental scientist who published The Population Bomb in 1968.
This hyperbolic collection of demographic doomsday prophecies foolhardily predicted, “The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”
Malthus’ genocidal policies specifically targeted the poor. Through the promotion of hygienically unsound practices amongst impoverished populations, Malthus believed that the “undesirable elements” of the human herd could be naturally culled by various maladies. The spread of disease could be further assisted through discriminative vaccination and zoning programs. Worse still, Malthus promoted infanticide for illegitimate children, a practice that is still advocated by many bioethicists today. Peter Singer is one case in point. Ominously enough, Singer recently argued for the rationing of health care in a New York Times editorial.
Ehrlich’s prescriptions for the alleged “population bomb” were equally draconian. They included “compulsory birth regulation… (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size.”
Go check it out, definitely a better discussion of the Malthusian elitests who wrote at length about their eugenic fantasies. Good luck.
"Ten questions about flu vaccines that doctors and health authorities refuse to answer"
"(NaturalNews) Vaccine mythology remains rampant in both western medicine and the mainstream media. To hear the vaccination zealots say it, vaccines are backed by "good science," they've been "proven effective" and they're "perfectly safe."Here are ten questions vaccine-pushing doctors and health authorities absolutely refuse to answer:
#1) Where are the randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies proving flu vaccines are both safe and effective?
Answer: There aren't any. (http://www.naturalnews.com/027239_v... "
Interesting read requiring more research for sure.
Chief scientist says it would be 'unwise' not to develop GM crops in Britain
"Professor John Beddington said the world will have to produce 50 per cent more food by 2030 in order to feed the growing population. He said the only way to do this is to grow more crops on less land by using the latest scientific innovation, including crops genetically modified to be drought or disease resistant.
"This is such a problem that you cannot say we will not use GM technology - that would be really unwise," he said. His comments come as a new Royal Society report also recommends GM crops to tackle the impending food crisis.
The report entitled 'Reaping the Benefits: Towards a Sustainable Intensification of Global Agriculture' is expected to suggest that GM crops could even be grown in Britain.GM has recently come back onto the political agenda. The first trial in a year was recently re-started in Leeds, with the Government's support, and a recent report on food security from the Deparment for the Enviroment, Food and Rural Affairs backed further research into the technology."
And this stuff reads like powerhungry fantasia:
"We do have a 'perfect storm' with the impending food crisis, climate change and the recent economic crisis," she said. "It might seem like the perfect opportunity for the bio-tech industry to promote its products but the drivers of this crisis are so complex and need to be tackled at a fundamental level - just the thought that GM can solve this or play an important part is pie in the sky."
Disgusting...While on the bio foods subject, must check out foodworldorder.com!
Bill Granting FDA New Powers To Oversee Nation's Food Supply Gets Broad Support
"Legislation granting the Food and Drug Administration new powers to oversee the nation's food supply has elbowed its way onto Congress' crammed calendar with bipartisan support and rare agreement between consumer groups and an industry stung by product recalls.
The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), would require the FDA to step up inspections of food facilities and to issue new rules to improve the quality of imported food and to combat contaminants in fresh produce. The measure also would give the agency authority to recall products on its own, instead of relying on industry cooperation.
"Hardly a week goes by that there isn't a report of an outbreak of food-borne illness or death in America," Durbin said. "The current system really just reacts to food illness. We have to have a system that is protective of consumers" by preventing outbreaks or nipping them in the bud.
The bill is slated for a committee hearing today even as lawmakers wrestle with the tasks of overhauling the healthcare system, writing new regulations for the financial services industry and shaping major measures on global warming and education.
The reason for a sense of urgency is evident from opinion polls. A July survey for the Pew Charitable Trusts found that nearly 90% of voters favored new food safety measures similar to those found in Durbin's bill and a slightly more expansive proposal that the House passed over the summer.
"There's broad public support. It would be a quick win for both parties," said Erik Olson, director of chemical and food safety programs in Pew's Health & Human Services Policy program. "This is a rare situation where the industry is shoulder to shoulder with consumers."
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that food-borne illness causes 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths annually in the U.S.
Beyond hazards to health, the food industry has paid a hefty toll.
Growers and distributors lost an estimated $100 million in a 2008 recall of salmonella-tainted jalapeño peppers and tomatoes initially blamed for the outbreak, said Patrick Delaney, a spokesman for the United Fresh Produce Assn., which represents fruit and vegetable producers. "
I cannot help but wonder whether these changing standards will include codex alimentarius tained philosophy, and assist with harmonization. Sadly I am not optimistic. Find out more on Codex at codexalimentarius.org No Codex Genocide and governmental and non-governmental agency websites.
Bailout May Cost $23.7 Trillion: Barofsky
"WASHINGTON - The federal government has devoted $4.7 trillion to help the financial sector through its crisis, a level of assistance equal to about one-third of the overall U.S. economy, a watchdog report said Monday.
Under the worst of circumstances, the report said, the government's maximum exposure could total nearly $24 trillion, or $80,000 for every American.
The figures are part of a tough new quarterly report to Congress from special inspector general Neil Barofsky, who accuses the Treasury Department of repeatedly failing to adopt recommendations aimed at making one component of the government financial rescue effort more accountable and transparent.
The $4.7 trillion commitment to the industry takes into account about 50 initiatives and programs set up since 2007 by the Bush and Obama administrations as well as by the Federal Reserve. Barofsky oversees one of the initiatives -- the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program.
Much of the government assistance is backed by collateral and Barofsky's $23.7 trillion estimate represents the gross, not net, exposure that the government could face."
On the same subject one more econo-nightmare:
Study Finds Toxic Assets Truly Worthless, Geithner’s Plan ‘Will Simply Transfer Wealth’ To Banks from Think
"Via John Carney at Clusterstock, we have a study by Harvard’s Joshua Coval and Erik Stafford and Princeton’s Jakub Jurek, who concluded that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s assumption regarding the “inherent economic value” of toxic assets is bogus:
The analysis of this paper suggests that recent credit market prices are actually highly consistent with fundamentals. A structural framework confirm…s that bonds and credit derivatives should have experienced a significant repricing in 2008 as the economic outlook darkened and volatility increased. The analysis also confirms that severe mispricing existed in the structured credit tranches prior to the crisis and that a large part of the dramatic rise in spreads has been the elimination of this mispricing.In short, the toxic assets clogging up the banks are worthless, and not, as Geithner believes, stuck at a depressed value due to our lousy economic climate. This is a problem because Geithner’s entire bank rescue plan hinges on the notion that these assets are worth something. If that notion is wrong, then the plan will, at best, “simply fizzle,” and at worst, be a very expensive subsidy to savvy investors that does nothing to relieve banks of their toxic waste.
Like Nouriel Roubini, Coval, Stafford, and Jurek believe that “many major US banks are now legitimately insolvent.” Therefore, they write, “any taxpayer dollars allocated to supporting these [toxic asset] markets will simply transfer wealth to the current owners of these securities”:
To the extent that these assets reside in banks that are now insolvent, the owners are essentially the bondholders of these banks. The reason their bonds are currently trading far below par is that the assets backing up their claim are just not worth enough (nor expected to become worth enough when their bonds mature) to repay them. And so while they will be cheered by any government overpayment for the toxic assets backing up their claims, their happiness will be at the taxpayer’s expense since, to the extent that current prices are fair, they will be receiving more than fair value for their investments.Older but still just as offensive. What a swindle.
Last topic of the day, gotta hit the "Malthusian Messiah"
"When Malthusians Become Messiahs"
"Nowadays, anyone and everyone who raises a disparaging word about the Obama Administration’s policies is immediately assigned the stigma of “alarmist,” “scaremonger,” or “paranoid.” Perhaps such stigmas are actually applicable in some cases, like Genesis Communications Network radio talk show host Alex Jones and Fox News talk show host Glenn Beck. In both of these cases, there are, no doubt, serious sanity issues involved. However, those who have familiarized themselves with the résumé of President Obama’s recently appointed Science Czar, John Holdren, have good reason to be afraid.
Having dispelled any accusations of partisan prejudices, allow me to provide a brief overview of Holdren’s résumé. In 1977, Holdren co-authored Ecoscience with Paul and Anne Ehrlich. Of course, Paul Ehrlich was the environmental scientist who published The Population Bomb in 1968.
This hyperbolic collection of demographic doomsday prophecies foolhardily predicted, “The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”
Malthus’ genocidal policies specifically targeted the poor. Through the promotion of hygienically unsound practices amongst impoverished populations, Malthus believed that the “undesirable elements” of the human herd could be naturally culled by various maladies. The spread of disease could be further assisted through discriminative vaccination and zoning programs. Worse still, Malthus promoted infanticide for illegitimate children, a practice that is still advocated by many bioethicists today. Peter Singer is one case in point. Ominously enough, Singer recently argued for the rationing of health care in a New York Times editorial.
Ehrlich’s prescriptions for the alleged “population bomb” were equally draconian. They included “compulsory birth regulation… (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size.”
Go check it out, definitely a better discussion of the Malthusian elitests who wrote at length about their eugenic fantasies. Good luck.
Government to get special swine flu vaccine
Government to get special swine flu vaccine
"Just a week after it emerged that the German armed forces was getting a different kind of A/H1N1 vaccine to the general population, Der Spiegel magazine reports that the government will also get special treatment.
The general population will be offered the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine, called Pandemrix, which contains a new booster element, or adjuvant, as well as a preservative containing mercury.
Controversy has grown around the rapid licensing of the GSK vaccine – and a similar one being made by Novartis. Critics said not enough testing had been conducted before European licensing authorities rushed an approval.
Chancellor Angela Merkel, her cabinet members and ministry civil servants as well as those working for other agencies will get Celvapan, produced by US firm Baxter, which does not have the adjuvant or the preservative, according to Der Spiegel.
It is thought the adjuvant may lead to a stronger reaction in the patient – which to a certain degree is the point, meaning the vaccine can contain less of the virus yet still provoke the crucial immune system reaction.
But this is also what some say is the additional risk – and has led to stocks of the traditional kind of vaccine being bought in for pregnant women and young children.
Celvapan does not contain the adjuvant or the preservative. Rather, it contains entire dead viruses rather than the pieces which are in the traditional vaccine. The Baxter version is the one being given to the armed forces, as well as being made available for pregnant women and children.
It seems now that ministers and civil servants are to be included in that category."
I always get lost in simple logic problems. Thimerosol and adjuvants like squalene are safe, but thimerosol was only allowed to be included in this vaccine under some kind of FDA emergency approval, JUST for the swine flu vaccine. They are totally safe, yet have been phased out except for the swine flu, and even though they are safe, some are getting a 'cleaner' vaccine. If all these additives are safe, why were they first outlawed, and why are certain factions escaping these totally safe additives?
"Just a week after it emerged that the German armed forces was getting a different kind of A/H1N1 vaccine to the general population, Der Spiegel magazine reports that the government will also get special treatment.
The general population will be offered the GlaxoSmithKline vaccine, called Pandemrix, which contains a new booster element, or adjuvant, as well as a preservative containing mercury.
Controversy has grown around the rapid licensing of the GSK vaccine – and a similar one being made by Novartis. Critics said not enough testing had been conducted before European licensing authorities rushed an approval.
Chancellor Angela Merkel, her cabinet members and ministry civil servants as well as those working for other agencies will get Celvapan, produced by US firm Baxter, which does not have the adjuvant or the preservative, according to Der Spiegel.
It is thought the adjuvant may lead to a stronger reaction in the patient – which to a certain degree is the point, meaning the vaccine can contain less of the virus yet still provoke the crucial immune system reaction.
But this is also what some say is the additional risk – and has led to stocks of the traditional kind of vaccine being bought in for pregnant women and young children.
Celvapan does not contain the adjuvant or the preservative. Rather, it contains entire dead viruses rather than the pieces which are in the traditional vaccine. The Baxter version is the one being given to the armed forces, as well as being made available for pregnant women and children.
It seems now that ministers and civil servants are to be included in that category."
I always get lost in simple logic problems. Thimerosol and adjuvants like squalene are safe, but thimerosol was only allowed to be included in this vaccine under some kind of FDA emergency approval, JUST for the swine flu vaccine. They are totally safe, yet have been phased out except for the swine flu, and even though they are safe, some are getting a 'cleaner' vaccine. If all these additives are safe, why were they first outlawed, and why are certain factions escaping these totally safe additives?
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
Totally Irrational Swine Flu Fear Propaganda....or is it?
Nurses got sick from the "swine flu" vaccine in Sweden • UPDATE - 1 suspected death
Yesterday 30 people had been reporting to the authorities in Sweden that they experienced such severe side effects that they felt the need to contact a hospital. Today the number is 140. The swedish newspaper Expressen is the only one in Sweden reporting on these cases and as usual this is most likely only the tip of a rather large iceberg. UPDATE: According to Dagens Nyheter, the number of reported side effects are now a few hours later 190. 1 person dies after the injection but "no direct relation with the injection has been established". The biggest medical scandal in the history of Sweden has just started.
Even so, Annika Linde, director of The Swedish Institute for Infectious Disease Control (SMI) manages to spin this into something positive by stating "The vaccine has more side effects than the normal flu vaccine. It is a sign that proves that it gives an effective protection."
Thousands of Swedes have been vaccinated so far and the reports of side effects are "flooding in" to The Swedish Institute for Infectious Disease Control (SMI). Annika Linde: "It is obviously so that the vaccine against the swine flu results in more side effects than the normal flu vaccines. That is because the swine flu vaccine contains adjuvants, shark liver oil, which triggers the immune defense to respond. That also results in that the protection against the virus becomes better."
Several severe cases of allergic reactions are reported to the unit for medicinal safety. "So far the reported side effects are not unexpected", says Gunilla Sjölin Forsberg. This unit has now asked some of the many units that vaccinate to report side effects to better get a grip on the situation. This statement alone is shocking since according to normal practice, all side effects should automatically be reported - right?
A nurse who took the shot on wednesday last week is still feeling sick. She got high fever and shivers from the swine flu shot. "-I was shaking in my whole body. It was so sever that I could not even hold a glass of water in my hand.", Lotta Lindström says.
"- I am now thinking about what it is I have been injected with. I really was affected. It feels really unpleasant."
Beating back warmongers bludgeon-style
Iran agrees 'in principle' to compromise on nuclear programme
"The breakthrough came after a day of talks in Geneva between Iran’s top nuclear negotiator and the United States, Britain, Russia, China, France and Germany. In a sign that Tehran is eager to show more flexibility after a period of heightened tensions, Iran indicated that it would also allow international inspectors to visit its recently revealed second uranium enrichment plant “within weeks”.
After a long diplomatic chill, it agreed to a tight timetable of talks with the same six powers designed to get a far-reaching diplomatic solution in place by the end of the year.
Speaking in Washington, President Obama called the talks “a constructive beginning” but said hard work lay ahead.“Talk is no substitute for action,” he added, saying sanctions remained an option if Iran did not fulfill its promises. "Iran must demonstrate through concrete steps that it will live up to its responsibilities.”
Although the details still needs to be hammered out, Javier Solana, the EU’s top foreign policy official, said Iran had agreed “in principle” to export most of its enriched uranium stockpile to Russia for further enrichment.
The uranium would then be sent to France for further processing and then returned to Iran. People familiar with the issue said the process would make it extremely difficult for Iran to use the uranium for bomb-making purposes, setting back its alleged weapons programme"
I haven't been around the political scene that long, but have already learned the skill of retaining a healthy negativity about prospects for peace, so I am not under total delusions that this will equal peace with Iran and not war, but it has been one of the key issues in regards to Iran's nuclear program, and a way for Iran to maintain its responsibility and rights under the NPT, while also semi-placating the somewhat irrational fears of Iran's non-existent weapons program. Many believe this regime is duplicitous, so I suppose we shall find out.
*gives fist bump to homeboi El Baradei*
Grassley: propaganda killah!
Grassley Warns HHS Web Site May Be ‘Propaganda’
Grassley here is taking a page out of yours truly Reflux The Chemist's playbook, attempting to destroy propaganda efforts. The hubris located within this statement is sort of blinding..but worthy anyway.
"Senate Finance ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is raising concerns that a Department of Health and Human Services Web site that urges visitors to send an e-mail to President Barack Obama praising his health care reform plan may violate rules against government-funded propaganda.
The Web page is accessed through a “state your support” button featured prominently on the HHS Web site and carries a disclaimer that the Web site is maintained by HHS.
In a letter sent to HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius Tuesday, Grassley warned that “any possible misuse of appropriated funds by the executive branch to engage in publicity or propaganda in support of an Administration priority is a matter that must be investigated and taken seriously,” noting that in 2005 Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) argued that “the use of official funds for similar activities were 'underhanded tactics' and that these tactics 'are not worthy of our great democracy.'”Isn't funding Gibbs' job title violating rules against government-funded propaganda? How about the CDC's press releases? Just saying..=0)
H1N1 Vaccination- Funnies section
This definitely warrants a laugh. Although in some respects I can understand what he is saying, it is comical nonetheless, and also sad in that it discredits what I think are valid questions about vaccinations, or at least this vaccination campaign...
“The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can. We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease." According to Fox News, Farrakhan said that wise people will not take the vaccine. A poll released last month showed that two-thirds of American parents will either delay giving their child the vaccine or just not give them the shots at all. Another survey that was released earlier this month shows that 40 per cent of Americans will not get the vaccine"
Minister: H1N1 vaccine developed to kill people
"The 76-year-old Louis Farrakhan, speaking for nearly three hours to a religious group on the 14th anniversary of the Million Man March in Washington, believes the H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccination is nothing more than a guise to depopulate the Earth, according to United Press International.
“The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can. We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease." According to Fox News, Farrakhan said that wise people will not take the vaccine. A poll released last month showed that two-thirds of American parents will either delay giving their child the vaccine or just not give them the shots at all. Another survey that was released earlier this month shows that 40 per cent of Americans will not get the vaccine" Another side note here.. This statement is sort of contradictory, because Farrakhan assumes as valid the malthusian premise that the Earth has a finite carrying capacity, and further, that it is basically reached after "6.5 billion people". Surely the Earth could not carry an infinite amount of people, but I don't believe we have yet reached that point, and who knows what the actual carrying capacity would be if we actually got serious about food production, and not serious in the sense that we frankenstein the crop and splice its genes... word!
Not pushing the male anti-HPV shots? But why?!!?
U.S. advisers decline to push Gardasil for boys
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. vaccine advisers declined to press for the use of Merck & Co's Gardasil in boys and men, opting instead on Wednesday to simply advise doctors they are free to use it.
Despite some impassioned pleas from patients and doctors alike, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted almost unanimously for "permissive" use of the vaccine for boys. It protects against the human papillomavirus, or HPV, which causes a variety of cancers and genital warts.
But the committee did recommend including Gardasil for eligible boys aged 9 to 18 in the Vaccines For Children program, a government-funded system that provides vaccines to children eligible for the state-federal Medicaid health insurance plan and other uninsured children.
Merck's shares were down 1.7 percent at $33.16 in afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange.The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommends Gardasil for girls 11 and 12 years old and women 13 to 26 who have not been vaccinated."
This is interesting that the 'vaccine advisers' won't push for this vaccine, I don't really understand why...vaccines are awesome!
Lil kid is > me in the courage category..
One other note about the gardasil vaccine, which deeply offended me is found here:
"A new rule that makes the Gardasil vaccine mandatory for young women seeking U.S. citizenship has sparked anger and protest from immigration advocates and healthcare policy experts. Immigration groups call the Gardasil rule discriminatory, and charge that it places an unfair financial burden on female immigrants. Meanwhile, policy experts see the requirement as excessive and unnecessary.
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services added the Gardasil vaccination requirement in July, and it went into effect on August 1. Under a 1996 immigration law, any vaccination recommended by the U.S. government for its citizens becomes a requirement for anyone seeking permanent residency in the U.S. The Centers for Disease Control recommended Gardasil for girls ages 11 through 26 shortly after it was approved in 2006.
Anyone who applies for permanent residency must visit a U.S. – approved physician or clinic to get vaccines and undergo tests in order to receive health clearance. Of the 14 required vaccines, 13 are designed to combat infectious diseases that are transmitted by respiratory route and are considered highly contagious. But the virus Gardasil targets – HPV – is spread through sexual contact."
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Interesting website/pdf file- The deliberate dumbing down of America
Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
An author by the name of Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt has apparently written a scathing rebuke of the education system and how it has been co-opted for other purposes. I have not yet read this, but will be shortly. Was going to purchase this book on amazon until a reviewer pointed to this website, where you can d/l free of charge, straight from the author. Thanks Iserbyt, I will be checking into your work soon.
An author by the name of Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt has apparently written a scathing rebuke of the education system and how it has been co-opted for other purposes. I have not yet read this, but will be shortly. Was going to purchase this book on amazon until a reviewer pointed to this website, where you can d/l free of charge, straight from the author. Thanks Iserbyt, I will be checking into your work soon.
Frightening specters and tightening financial sectors
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord via Blacklistednews
"At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.
I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.
How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it."
Whoa!
"At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.
I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.
How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it."
Whoa!
Hoyer declares constitutionality
Hoyer Says Constitution’s ‘General Welfare’ Clause Empowers Congress to Order Americans to Buy Health Insurance via Blacklistednews
"House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that the individual health insurance mandates included in every health reform bill, which require Americans to have insurance, were “like paying taxes.” He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”
The Congressional Budget Office, however, has stated in the past that a mandate forcing Americans to buy health insurance would be an “unprecedented form of federal action,” and that the “government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”
Hoyer, speaking to reporters at his weekly press briefing on Tuesday, was asked by CNSNews.com where in the Constitution was Congress granted the power to mandate that a person must by a health insurance policy. Hoyer said that, in providing for the general welfare, Congress had “broad authority.”
I wonder if the general welfare clause includes forcing toxic garbage assets upon United Stations, and charging a non-governmental institution to counterfeit greenbacks, but hey, I'm no constitutional lawyer like Soetoro..I guess if I was, it would lead me to support and continue totally unconstitutional laws.I love(not really) bizarro world!
"House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that the individual health insurance mandates included in every health reform bill, which require Americans to have insurance, were “like paying taxes.” He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”
The Congressional Budget Office, however, has stated in the past that a mandate forcing Americans to buy health insurance would be an “unprecedented form of federal action,” and that the “government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”
Hoyer, speaking to reporters at his weekly press briefing on Tuesday, was asked by CNSNews.com where in the Constitution was Congress granted the power to mandate that a person must by a health insurance policy. Hoyer said that, in providing for the general welfare, Congress had “broad authority.”
I wonder if the general welfare clause includes forcing toxic garbage assets upon United Stations, and charging a non-governmental institution to counterfeit greenbacks, but hey, I'm no constitutional lawyer like Soetoro..I guess if I was, it would lead me to support and continue totally unconstitutional laws.I love(not really) bizarro world!
Swine Flu overestimations?
Swine flu overestimated?
"CDC Quiet On Swine Flu Stats
After repeated attempts made by CBS News asking the CDC to provide state-by-state data of swine flu testing before they halted individual testing and tracking, Dr. Thomas Frieden, CDC Director was asked directly at a recent news conference.
(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.
In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.
The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Center for Disease Control, CDC, and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu. "
Why you ask?
"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?
Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains."
Lol, we are going to stop testing because we know its an epidemic now...
"CDC Quiet On Swine Flu Stats
After repeated attempts made by CBS News asking the CDC to provide state-by-state data of swine flu testing before they halted individual testing and tracking, Dr. Thomas Frieden, CDC Director was asked directly at a recent news conference.
(CBS) If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu.
In fact, you probably didn’t have flu at all. That's according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.
The ramifications of this finding are important. According to the Center for Disease Control, CDC, and Britain's National Health Service, once you have H1N1 flu, you're immune from future outbreaks of the same virus. Those who think they've had H1N1 flu -- but haven't -- might mistakenly presume they're immune. As a result, they might skip taking a vaccine that could help them, and expose themselves to others with H1N1 flu under the mistaken belief they won't catch it. Parents might not keep sick children home from school, mistakenly believing they've already had H1N1 flu. "
Why you ask?
"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there's an epidemic?
Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains."
Lol, we are going to stop testing because we know its an epidemic now...
Monday, October 5, 2009
Swine Flu Vaccine Discussion with Doctor on KSL-transcript
Dr Kim >
The chat will begin in 15 minutes
Dr Kim >
The chat will begin in 5 minutes
ski_grl >
What is it about the preservative in this flu vaccine that worries people? Is it in regular vaccines, or is it unique to the swine flu vaccine?
ski_grl >
If I get both the seasonal flu vaccine and the swime flu vaccine, is there a specific amount of time I should wait between shots, or can I get them both at the same time?
Dr Kim >
Due to a lack of information and in some cases misinformation about the H1N1 flu and vaccine, KSL wants to clear up any confusion and allow users the opportunity to ask questions. Let's begin
Heidi .. >
what are the risks for pregnant women who get the swine flu? what complications can they get?
Heidi .. >
whats risks are there for pregnant women who get the swine flu shot?
Dr Kim >
The general concern is a preservative called Thimerossl which contains a small amount of mercury. the Institute of Medicine, FDA and CDC say there is no scientific evident that links this preservative to increased rates of autism. However, some still worry about this preservative. The good news: you can get both the seasonal flu vaccine and swine flu vaccine without this preservative.
Dr Kim >
You can get both shot versions at the same time. Or you can get one nasal and one shot at the same time. However, you cannot get two nasal spray vaccines at the same time.
Heidi .. >
alot of people are telling me since im pregnant not to get it. it can kill you/make you sick so im scared to get it because of that and than not be here for my new baby and husband
Dr Kim >
Since April, 100 pregnant women have been hospitalized in intensive care units with complications of the swine flu. 28 of them have died. The concern is over pneumonia which can be life-threatening. We take swine flu very seriously in pregnancy. Another advantage of swine flu vaccine in pregnant women is it provides some protection for the baby. Remember infants younger than 6 months cannot be vaccinated for seasonal flu or swine flu.
rc_sweetness >
I'm pregnant due at the end of this month. If the vaccine does come out before I have my baby I am skeptical about getting the vaccine. What have the studies been on pregnant women who have gotten this. Would it be better to wait after I have the baby and just me get vaccinated? Would that protect my newborn?
Heidi .. >
so if you get the shot, than you usually dont get the swine flu afterwards? I'm just worried if I get it, a few days later I'll get sick like some people due after getting regular flu shots. im due in 2 weeks
Utah Concealer >
How do they know the long term effects of the vaccine on the fetus?
Dr Kim >
The medical community believes the benefits of the vaccine for pregnant women far out way any potential risks. Having said that- there is a small risk as there is with any vaccine and we will be tracking complications that may occur.
Dr Kim >
As a pregnant woman I understand it's only natural to be concerned about anything and everything you put in your body. Pregnant women are disproportionately affected by this virus. We ran the story tonight that lost a young mother to this disease. we have to take it seriously. But yes the decision it ultimately yours- it is voluntary.
Dr Kim >
Good question. A group of pregnant women are being followed through the course of pregnancy. The results will not be available until next summer. Getting the vaccine now will help protect your newborn as would getting the vaccine post-partum. The vaccine is believed to be safe for all pregnant women at any gestational age. It looks as if it takes 8-10 days to see an immune response from the vaccine. Most experts say- the sooner the better.
Dr Kim >
You cannot get the flu from the flu shot. The flu shot is not 100 percent and yes some people do have illnesses around the time of getting a flu shot and make the incorrect assumption they got it from the shot. The nasal spray is not an option for pregnant women, so you would have to wait for the shot. We believe the shot will be available next week. The greatest risk for you and your baby is exposure. How many people are you going to be around? If you stay in your house and nobody comes into our house your exposure would be nearly zero. The fewer people you see- the less risk you and your baby are at.
Dr Kim >
We do not know for sure. That is being studied and the results won't be available until next summer. So far, the women who have received the vaccine their pregnancies are progressing normally.
Dr Kim >
You can't. You have to wait until six months. That's why the recommendation is for people living with or caring for babies under 6-months of age to get the vaccine. The idea is to reduce the risk of exposure to these vulnerable infants by vaccinating children and adults in the home.
Dr Kim >
This is not flu season and it is not a reportable disease. So, that makes it a difficult to give you a precise number. However, seasonal influenza is also risky for pregnant women. That is why we recommend both vaccinations for this high risk group. In pregnancy the immune system is dampened a bit. So the mother does not reject the fetus, so to speak. That makes infection riskier. In addition, the enlarging uterus makes it harder for pregnant women to breath deeply and increases the risk of pneumonia if they do get the flu, whether it is seasonal or swine flu.
idevio >
One of my concerns is there will be some adverse reaction or complications with the baby that medical community can't yet see. Is that a realistic concern, or is it pretty safe.
Dr Kim >
As an obstetrician, I understand you concern, but I personally believe it is safe.
ski_grl >
I think a lot of concerns about the safety of this new vaccine is that it seems to have been rushed and also all the hype about the swine flu vaccine that was developed the 1970's. What has been done to ensure things haven't been rushed and that the vaccine is safe?
chemist801 >
Can you speak at all of the efficacy and safety of the additive squalene?
Dr Kim >
Good question. This vaccine is produced using the same technology that is used to produce the annual, seasonal flu vaccine. Nothing different, just a different virus. Much has changed since 1976. We have not seen complications with the seasonal flu that we saw with the swine flu vaccine in 1976. In addition, in 1976 that outbreak never reached the level of a pandemic. This is different. The most recent data from the CDC from the week of 9/20-9/26 shows 11 children died from swine flu that week alone. According to WHO, 4,108 deaths have been confirmed due to swine flu. there is a tremendous push to vaccinate as many people as possible to help control this dangerous public health situation.
Utah Concealer >
What do you mean it's 'believed' to be safe for all pregnant women at any gestational age?
Dr Kim >
The CDC, FDA, American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists all support and recommend the use of this vaccine in pregnant women at any gestational age. Having said that, no vaccine is perfect. No vaccine will work 100 percent of the time, which is why we still need to consider hygiene (hand-washing, cough into your elbow, etc.) and there is a small risk of complications with any vaccine.
Dr Kim >
The side effects of the swine flu vaccine are expected to be like those of the seasonal flu shot. Life-threatening allergic reaction to vaccines are very rare, but they can happen. Since 1976, studies have shown a small risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome in people who receive the seasonal flu vaccine. This risk is estimated to be no more than one case per 1 million people vaccinated.
rc_sweetness >
Does anyone know any of the side effects this had caused in the studies, and to which groups? It's so hard to find information on.
Dr Kim >
Guillan-Barre is of course a potential side effect, but very rare. And a severe life-threatening allergic reaction and that is why anyone who has had an allergic reaction to eggs should NOT get the vaccine, even if pregnant. The seasonal flu shot has been given to millions of pregnant women over many years. The flu shots have not shown harm to pregnant women or their babies. The 2009 H1N1 vaccine is being made in the same way and at the same places the season flu vaccine is made. Ongoing studies of this vaccine of healthy children and adults and pregnant women are now being conducted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (part of the NIH). For more information go to www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/vteuH1N1qa.htm
Heidi .. >
what happens if I have my baby before I get the swine flu shot? Do they give it to me in the hospital right after I give birth or do I miss my chance to get it?
Dr Kim >
You would still be high risk because you have a baby under 6 months old, qualifying you to get the vaccine. If the hospital has it you may be able to get it there and then. Otherwise you may need to get it from your pediatrician or obstetrician.
Dr Kim >
Yes. No vaccine works 100 percent of the time. That is why many people should get the vaccine. The more that get it (the vaccine)- the less that spread the flu.
idevio >
Are there any chances the vaccine wouldn't be effective, that I could still get the swine flu even though I've had the vaccine?
chemist801 >
Can you give us any information on the shedding of live attenuated viruses? I read somewhere that in seasonal flu studies, in one age group, almost 40% shed the live virus. Is this possible with the nasal spray for the swine flu vaccine?
Dr Kim >
The current wisdom is the only people who do not need the vaccine are those that had documented PCR-testing confirming swine flu infection. Lots of people had flu-like illnesses that were probably not swine flu. The benefits of getting vaccinated exceed the risk even if you had the swine flu before.
Kenneth T. >
My husband and I are both junior high teachers. We are both in our 40's with no medical problems. Do we need to get the swine flu vaccine? What about our 12-year-old daughter? She also has no medical problems.
Dr Kim >
Your daughter is in a high risk group- so she should get the vaccine and is a candidate for the nasal vaccine. As more vaccine becomes available- you and your husband should both consider being vaccinated. Children are more likely to spread this virus than adults and the two of you are obviously working with large groups of kids. Children also have a higher concentration of the virus in their respiratory droplets and are less likely to be conscientious of taking precautions to prevent the the passing of the virus in these droplets.
rc_sweetness >
Would you relate this at all to the 1976 swine flu scare? Could this turn into something like that? Or any type of scare in the past that they rushed vaccines for?
Dr Kim >
I understand the concern, but this is a completely different situation. the 1976 situation did not ever reach the epidemic, or for that matter a pandemic level. Again, over 4,000 people have died because of the swine flu. It is a much more serious situation than the country faced in 1976.
Christina S. >
is this safe for kids under two years old?
Dr Kim >
Yes. All major health organizations are recommending the H1N1 vaccine for children over the age of 6 months.
Floyd C. >
My mother is 92 --- in good health but obviously not as healthy as younger people. Does she need the H1N1 shot?
Dr Kim >
Unless she has a major medical issue- she would not fall into a high risk category. Unlike the seasonal flu this swine flu is striking younger, healthy individuals and for that reason people over 64 aren't consider at high risk. She should, however, make sure she gets the seasonal flu shot and talk to her doctor about the new pneumococcal (pneumonia) vaccine. When researchers looked at autopsy result from swine flu victims- many died from strep pneumonia. The pneumococcal vaccine can help prevent this.
Dr Kim >
Your local health department. We have listed each local health department and their websites in this story: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=200&sid=8189637
jimw501x >
I am 53, male, and have a ventriculoperitoneal shunt and a ventriculopleural shunt due to hydrocephalus birth defect. Shunts installed 1985. should I get the H1N1 shot due to the brain surgeries?
Dr Kim >
It sounds to me like you fall into a high risk group. Please confirm with your primary care physician.
Heidi .. >
that lady that died in cali. days after giving birth, did she get the swine flu shot before she died?
Dr Kim >
No- the swine flu shot was not available.
Dr Kim >
Reduce exposure; stay away from crowded places. Consider wearing a mask. Avoid sick individuals and if you have to be near them- stay at least 6 feet away. One big risk is the spray of droplets from someone who's got the flu.
Dr Kim >
It is a theoretical risk only. The vaccine virus is weakened so it will not cause illness.
Dr Kim >
Thank you for all of your questions and participation. If you still have questions we will provide an opportunity to have them answered by health officials later this evening in a user feedback. Look for a link later this evening. Thanks again...
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I highlighted text in red, which was what I attempted to ask Dr. Kim, but he did NOT give any answers which closely resembled or was directed at what I was asking. Judging from this chat, it seems that this dude works or is a clear shill for the establishment knowledge that getting a swine flu vaccine is extremely important, even for women who are pregnant, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT IT IS SAFE. As highlighted in blue, even one other person appeared suspicious at how confident this doctor was, even while admitting that no studies have been done proving the safety of the vaccines...
The chat will begin in 15 minutes
Dr Kim >
The chat will begin in 5 minutes
ski_grl >
What is it about the preservative in this flu vaccine that worries people? Is it in regular vaccines, or is it unique to the swine flu vaccine?
ski_grl >
If I get both the seasonal flu vaccine and the swime flu vaccine, is there a specific amount of time I should wait between shots, or can I get them both at the same time?
Dr Kim >
Due to a lack of information and in some cases misinformation about the H1N1 flu and vaccine, KSL wants to clear up any confusion and allow users the opportunity to ask questions. Let's begin
Heidi .. >
what are the risks for pregnant women who get the swine flu? what complications can they get?
Heidi .. >
whats risks are there for pregnant women who get the swine flu shot?
Dr Kim >
The general concern is a preservative called Thimerossl which contains a small amount of mercury. the Institute of Medicine, FDA and CDC say there is no scientific evident that links this preservative to increased rates of autism. However, some still worry about this preservative. The good news: you can get both the seasonal flu vaccine and swine flu vaccine without this preservative.
Dr Kim >
You can get both shot versions at the same time. Or you can get one nasal and one shot at the same time. However, you cannot get two nasal spray vaccines at the same time.
Heidi .. >
alot of people are telling me since im pregnant not to get it. it can kill you/make you sick so im scared to get it because of that and than not be here for my new baby and husband
Dr Kim >
Since April, 100 pregnant women have been hospitalized in intensive care units with complications of the swine flu. 28 of them have died. The concern is over pneumonia which can be life-threatening. We take swine flu very seriously in pregnancy. Another advantage of swine flu vaccine in pregnant women is it provides some protection for the baby. Remember infants younger than 6 months cannot be vaccinated for seasonal flu or swine flu.
rc_sweetness >
I'm pregnant due at the end of this month. If the vaccine does come out before I have my baby I am skeptical about getting the vaccine. What have the studies been on pregnant women who have gotten this. Would it be better to wait after I have the baby and just me get vaccinated? Would that protect my newborn?
Heidi .. >
so if you get the shot, than you usually dont get the swine flu afterwards? I'm just worried if I get it, a few days later I'll get sick like some people due after getting regular flu shots. im due in 2 weeks
Utah Concealer >
How do they know the long term effects of the vaccine on the fetus?
Dr Kim >
The medical community believes the benefits of the vaccine for pregnant women far out way any potential risks. Having said that- there is a small risk as there is with any vaccine and we will be tracking complications that may occur.
Dr Kim >
As a pregnant woman I understand it's only natural to be concerned about anything and everything you put in your body. Pregnant women are disproportionately affected by this virus. We ran the story tonight that lost a young mother to this disease. we have to take it seriously. But yes the decision it ultimately yours- it is voluntary.
Dr Kim >
Good question. A group of pregnant women are being followed through the course of pregnancy. The results will not be available until next summer. Getting the vaccine now will help protect your newborn as would getting the vaccine post-partum. The vaccine is believed to be safe for all pregnant women at any gestational age. It looks as if it takes 8-10 days to see an immune response from the vaccine. Most experts say- the sooner the better.
Dr Kim >
You cannot get the flu from the flu shot. The flu shot is not 100 percent and yes some people do have illnesses around the time of getting a flu shot and make the incorrect assumption they got it from the shot. The nasal spray is not an option for pregnant women, so you would have to wait for the shot. We believe the shot will be available next week. The greatest risk for you and your baby is exposure. How many people are you going to be around? If you stay in your house and nobody comes into our house your exposure would be nearly zero. The fewer people you see- the less risk you and your baby are at.
Dr Kim >
We do not know for sure. That is being studied and the results won't be available until next summer. So far, the women who have received the vaccine their pregnancies are progressing normally.
Dr Kim >
You can't. You have to wait until six months. That's why the recommendation is for people living with or caring for babies under 6-months of age to get the vaccine. The idea is to reduce the risk of exposure to these vulnerable infants by vaccinating children and adults in the home.
Dr Kim >
This is not flu season and it is not a reportable disease. So, that makes it a difficult to give you a precise number. However, seasonal influenza is also risky for pregnant women. That is why we recommend both vaccinations for this high risk group. In pregnancy the immune system is dampened a bit. So the mother does not reject the fetus, so to speak. That makes infection riskier. In addition, the enlarging uterus makes it harder for pregnant women to breath deeply and increases the risk of pneumonia if they do get the flu, whether it is seasonal or swine flu.
idevio >
One of my concerns is there will be some adverse reaction or complications with the baby that medical community can't yet see. Is that a realistic concern, or is it pretty safe.
Dr Kim >
As an obstetrician, I understand you concern, but I personally believe it is safe.
ski_grl >
I think a lot of concerns about the safety of this new vaccine is that it seems to have been rushed and also all the hype about the swine flu vaccine that was developed the 1970's. What has been done to ensure things haven't been rushed and that the vaccine is safe?
chemist801 >
Can you speak at all of the efficacy and safety of the additive squalene?
Dr Kim >
Good question. This vaccine is produced using the same technology that is used to produce the annual, seasonal flu vaccine. Nothing different, just a different virus. Much has changed since 1976. We have not seen complications with the seasonal flu that we saw with the swine flu vaccine in 1976. In addition, in 1976 that outbreak never reached the level of a pandemic. This is different. The most recent data from the CDC from the week of 9/20-9/26 shows 11 children died from swine flu that week alone. According to WHO, 4,108 deaths have been confirmed due to swine flu. there is a tremendous push to vaccinate as many people as possible to help control this dangerous public health situation.
Utah Concealer >
What do you mean it's 'believed' to be safe for all pregnant women at any gestational age?
Dr Kim >
The CDC, FDA, American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists all support and recommend the use of this vaccine in pregnant women at any gestational age. Having said that, no vaccine is perfect. No vaccine will work 100 percent of the time, which is why we still need to consider hygiene (hand-washing, cough into your elbow, etc.) and there is a small risk of complications with any vaccine.
Dr Kim >
The side effects of the swine flu vaccine are expected to be like those of the seasonal flu shot. Life-threatening allergic reaction to vaccines are very rare, but they can happen. Since 1976, studies have shown a small risk of Guillain-Barre Syndrome in people who receive the seasonal flu vaccine. This risk is estimated to be no more than one case per 1 million people vaccinated.
rc_sweetness >
Does anyone know any of the side effects this had caused in the studies, and to which groups? It's so hard to find information on.
Dr Kim >
Guillan-Barre is of course a potential side effect, but very rare. And a severe life-threatening allergic reaction and that is why anyone who has had an allergic reaction to eggs should NOT get the vaccine, even if pregnant. The seasonal flu shot has been given to millions of pregnant women over many years. The flu shots have not shown harm to pregnant women or their babies. The 2009 H1N1 vaccine is being made in the same way and at the same places the season flu vaccine is made. Ongoing studies of this vaccine of healthy children and adults and pregnant women are now being conducted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (part of the NIH). For more information go to www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/vteuH1N1qa.htm
Heidi .. >
what happens if I have my baby before I get the swine flu shot? Do they give it to me in the hospital right after I give birth or do I miss my chance to get it?
Dr Kim >
You would still be high risk because you have a baby under 6 months old, qualifying you to get the vaccine. If the hospital has it you may be able to get it there and then. Otherwise you may need to get it from your pediatrician or obstetrician.
Dr Kim >
Yes. No vaccine works 100 percent of the time. That is why many people should get the vaccine. The more that get it (the vaccine)- the less that spread the flu.
idevio >
Are there any chances the vaccine wouldn't be effective, that I could still get the swine flu even though I've had the vaccine?
chemist801 >
Can you give us any information on the shedding of live attenuated viruses? I read somewhere that in seasonal flu studies, in one age group, almost 40% shed the live virus. Is this possible with the nasal spray for the swine flu vaccine?
Dr Kim >
The current wisdom is the only people who do not need the vaccine are those that had documented PCR-testing confirming swine flu infection. Lots of people had flu-like illnesses that were probably not swine flu. The benefits of getting vaccinated exceed the risk even if you had the swine flu before.
Kenneth T. >
My husband and I are both junior high teachers. We are both in our 40's with no medical problems. Do we need to get the swine flu vaccine? What about our 12-year-old daughter? She also has no medical problems.
Dr Kim >
Your daughter is in a high risk group- so she should get the vaccine and is a candidate for the nasal vaccine. As more vaccine becomes available- you and your husband should both consider being vaccinated. Children are more likely to spread this virus than adults and the two of you are obviously working with large groups of kids. Children also have a higher concentration of the virus in their respiratory droplets and are less likely to be conscientious of taking precautions to prevent the the passing of the virus in these droplets.
rc_sweetness >
Would you relate this at all to the 1976 swine flu scare? Could this turn into something like that? Or any type of scare in the past that they rushed vaccines for?
Dr Kim >
I understand the concern, but this is a completely different situation. the 1976 situation did not ever reach the epidemic, or for that matter a pandemic level. Again, over 4,000 people have died because of the swine flu. It is a much more serious situation than the country faced in 1976.
Christina S. >
is this safe for kids under two years old?
Dr Kim >
Yes. All major health organizations are recommending the H1N1 vaccine for children over the age of 6 months.
Floyd C. >
My mother is 92 --- in good health but obviously not as healthy as younger people. Does she need the H1N1 shot?
Dr Kim >
Unless she has a major medical issue- she would not fall into a high risk category. Unlike the seasonal flu this swine flu is striking younger, healthy individuals and for that reason people over 64 aren't consider at high risk. She should, however, make sure she gets the seasonal flu shot and talk to her doctor about the new pneumococcal (pneumonia) vaccine. When researchers looked at autopsy result from swine flu victims- many died from strep pneumonia. The pneumococcal vaccine can help prevent this.
Dr Kim >
Your local health department. We have listed each local health department and their websites in this story: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=200&sid=8189637
jimw501x >
I am 53, male, and have a ventriculoperitoneal shunt and a ventriculopleural shunt due to hydrocephalus birth defect. Shunts installed 1985. should I get the H1N1 shot due to the brain surgeries?
Dr Kim >
It sounds to me like you fall into a high risk group. Please confirm with your primary care physician.
Heidi .. >
that lady that died in cali. days after giving birth, did she get the swine flu shot before she died?
Dr Kim >
No- the swine flu shot was not available.
Dr Kim >
Reduce exposure; stay away from crowded places. Consider wearing a mask. Avoid sick individuals and if you have to be near them- stay at least 6 feet away. One big risk is the spray of droplets from someone who's got the flu.
Dr Kim >
It is a theoretical risk only. The vaccine virus is weakened so it will not cause illness.
Dr Kim >
Thank you for all of your questions and participation. If you still have questions we will provide an opportunity to have them answered by health officials later this evening in a user feedback. Look for a link later this evening. Thanks again...
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I highlighted text in red, which was what I attempted to ask Dr. Kim, but he did NOT give any answers which closely resembled or was directed at what I was asking. Judging from this chat, it seems that this dude works or is a clear shill for the establishment knowledge that getting a swine flu vaccine is extremely important, even for women who are pregnant, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE NOT DEMONSTRATED THAT IT IS SAFE. As highlighted in blue, even one other person appeared suspicious at how confident this doctor was, even while admitting that no studies have been done proving the safety of the vaccines...
Thimerosol-autism link proven?
In chatting with a Doctor online about the swine flu vaccine, he claims that there is no link between autism and thimerosol, a vaccine perservative, so here is a link to refute this, new peer reviewed study shows link? You decide.
thimerosol study
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